The meaning of the swastika may change back to its more ancient associations in a hundred years, a few decades at very best, or it might never change. But it will always mean for me that it is ok with those who wave it to kill Polish and other European men women and children; with the idea of taking away nations and lands to the east, etc. I am sure that I am not alone. You might take the Brown Johnson/Dyal line that “maybe you don’t need that kind of people” but really, a far better question is, do you really need the swastika? I heard a caller to Renegade saying, imagine how great the world would be if Hitler had won the war. Well,… Read more »
DanielS, Nazi is a word coined and used by the enemy and its use in history debates exposes the enemy. Denouncing national socialism in favor of WN is like denouncing Jesus in favor of christianity. Well, something like that.
The Swastika is the Eternal symbol of the Aryan Race. Hitler did make some mistakes, but so what? No great Leader is perfect. The Jews have turned our Sacred Symbol into a “hate symbol” They should not be able to get away with that. We need to TOTALLY tell the Truth about the Jews and their lies including the BIG LIE of the holohoax.
Be my guest in telling the whole truth about everything. It is fine with me. But I, in turn, am just being honest with you as well. I too have come to enjoy the role of defender of our people and bucking the “bad guy” image. I don’t like coming in here looking like a pedantic, finger-wagging moralist. But if you want truth, you should know that as far as its symbolism now, it is not only a result of Jewish distortion. This is how it is going to be apprehended by a huge percentage of Whites – as insurmountably divisive – “Radioactive” by analogy. It is not just Jewish propaganda. Hitler primarily cared about Germanics. While that can be an understandable unit of concern,… Read more »
You have to understand what Hitler was up against. He had practically the whole world against him. He was a Germanic Nationalist for sure, but he fought for the entire Aryan Race, I do think that the Germans made a big mistake in treating the Slavs the way they did, They lost a very important potential ally and this probably was the main reason why they lost the war.
You are absolutely correct that the Poles and other Eastern European Aryan Folk were badly mistreated, but that does not mean we should give up our Swastika. I think that the National Socialists made a mistake in using a BLACK Swastika. If they had used a RED Swastika in a WHITE Circle on a BLUE background, they might have won the War. These are WINNING Colors.
“Jim Hardpeka says: November 10, 2013 at 9:45 am You have to understand what Hitler was up against.” I do understand it; and part of its genesis was in the overly punitive Versailles Treaty; and part of it was a distorted perspective toward adjacent European countries that Hitler developed through the militarism and mass death of the first world war, which, with the bitterness of Versailles, had him over identifying with German imperialistic conquests such as Friedrich the Great and The Teutonic Knights. But these are not necessary models and certainly not models of European concordance. “He had practically the whole world against him.” Primarily for the militaristic means he used and the lines that he drew. “He was a Germanic Nationalist for sure” He… Read more »
People, like Jim but there’s many others, that make the white cause about history such as WW2/Holohoax are the reason why people who for the most part care about current events are turned away from this scene. TRY THESE OTHER TOPICS FOR A CHANGE: Which topic is best to discuss with new people as your personal focus? 1. Anti-White Crimes 2. Forced Integration 3. Non-White Invasion 4. Jews Media Control 5. Jewish Economics 6. Kosher Tax Scam 7. ChemTrail & GMO 8. Ruby Ridge & Waco 9. 9/11 & USS Liberty 10. Political Parties 11. Overseas Events 12. World War 1 & 2 13. Jewish Holohoax 14. Euro Holo Domor 15. America Civil War 16. Jew Black Slavery 17. All White Slavery 18. Christ-Insanity 19.… Read more »
BTW “Jewish holohoax” is utterly tactless as an argumentative term (let alone a conversation opener). It is just a mirror image parody of the Jewish (big lie) way of argumentation. It is as if to say all images of Jewish deaths and documentation in regard as such were a complete lie; or that the name and full intent of the process is all important. It isn’t really. A lot of Jews died and explanations as to why are better addressed, than taking the route that it was all fake. To discuss exaggeration and its relative place, try “holocaustianity” as a term more worthy of an Aryan.
WhiteSea
10 years ago
I’d be happy to do the “Mohel Minute” on future Roundtables if you give me the chance. A minute is more than enough. It got off to a rough first broadcast of the mohel minute because I had to deal with Frank’s banality, but the Mohel Minute will be more concise and focussed in future episodes , if you allow for it to be part of your Roundtables, Kyle. Hopefully the other hosts, like Dana, would be open to it. I only speak out against it because I sincerely believe that it (the legality of it) is one of the key issues for us to confront in order to win back the Spirt for more and more of our people. I am confronting it in… Read more »
That is in the realm of caring about black abortions, like the Trutha movement cares about there not being more niggers. I am for black abortion! I am for anything that is against our enimies: Jews, Muslims/Islam, Christians etc, blacks, mexicans … Your ideas prey on the weak “right” and “wrong” or “good” and “evil” opionions and that are somebody that would use the term human race instead of the correct term human species of different opposing races.
heathenhank
10 years ago
Daniel, it is a straw man claiming that the majority faction of modern national socialists (be they Russian, German, or White American) are devout Hitlerians. From my perspective, at least, the history has passed to such an extent that most of those who believe in the basic tenets of NS, or in its very appealing and particular form of imagery, do not go around disparaging Polish, Ukrainian, or Belorussian suffering during the war. Ideology is mutable, flexible, and with time can shed its earlier tenets and absorb aspects of other ideologies in seemingly anachronistic ways. Take, for instance, the race conscious and eugenic roots of early American progressivism. In the span of decades, the same ideology eventually fathered its monstrosity we know today: the pro-dsygenic… Read more »
Heathenhank: “It is a worldview for our age that simple cannot be buried alongside the German fuhrer, for it is simple too powerful in its fundamental form.” I believe that you are well intentioned, with good will toward all persons of native European extraction who are loyal to our native own. However.. Try to consider this one anecdote: DanielS wants to be friends and cooperate with the folks of Renegade. DanielS introduces his other friends to the folks of Renegade, who are wearing swastikas. It is going to take an encyclopedia of words and decades, at very least, to say that you don’t think that killing other Europeans is an unimportant detail. That is, the friends I introduce you to are not going to think… Read more »
That is, the only “straw man” is to say that I am saying that the symbol is tactless is because of a few photos of White victims.
Frank
10 years ago
Chris, your dedication to saving the Swaddling Seinfelds of the world from their own peoples’ initiation custom while our own folk are being defamed, raped and murdered is highly commendable. Btw, I’m being ironic in commending you, and I point this out because you clearly can’t discern when other people are just humoring you. Good luck with your counceling sessions with Dr. Seinfeld.
WhiteSea
10 years ago
Frank, I know you’ll be listening to the Mohel Minute with disgust so just plug your ears for that minute and all will be right in Frank’s world. It’s cool. Frank is Frank. We all know it and love it … the Frank routine. We each got our own deal, but I must say that yours is very endearing because each and every time you open your mouth it is so fucking Frank. You should be honored that Sledge does his very good impersonation of you. It is an endearing impression and does not seem mean spirited. Good luck to you too and don’t forget to turn the volume down when I do the Mohel MInute during the Roundtables. I promise to only keep it… Read more »
The meaning of the swastika may change back to its more ancient associations in a hundred years, a few decades at very best, or it might never change. But it will always mean for me that it is ok with those who wave it to kill Polish and other European men women and children; with the idea of taking away nations and lands to the east, etc. I am sure that I am not alone. You might take the Brown Johnson/Dyal line that “maybe you don’t need that kind of people” but really, a far better question is, do you really need the swastika? I heard a caller to Renegade saying, imagine how great the world would be if Hitler had won the war. Well,… Read more »
DanielS, Nazi is a word coined and used by the enemy and its use in history debates exposes the enemy. Denouncing national socialism in favor of WN is like denouncing Jesus in favor of christianity. Well, something like that.
Lauri, Nazism is a pejorative term, yes. And I mean it as such.
That regime did not have it all perfectly figured-out. They made some very serious mistakes.
By referring to the regime in pejorative terms it provides an opportunity to separate it from Germans and German nationalism, which is normal.
The Swastika is the Eternal symbol of the Aryan Race. Hitler did make some mistakes, but so what? No great Leader is perfect. The Jews have turned our Sacred Symbol into a “hate symbol” They should not be able to get away with that. We need to TOTALLY tell the Truth about the Jews and their lies including the BIG LIE of the holohoax.
Be my guest in telling the whole truth about everything. It is fine with me. But I, in turn, am just being honest with you as well. I too have come to enjoy the role of defender of our people and bucking the “bad guy” image. I don’t like coming in here looking like a pedantic, finger-wagging moralist. But if you want truth, you should know that as far as its symbolism now, it is not only a result of Jewish distortion. This is how it is going to be apprehended by a huge percentage of Whites – as insurmountably divisive – “Radioactive” by analogy. It is not just Jewish propaganda. Hitler primarily cared about Germanics. While that can be an understandable unit of concern,… Read more »
You have to understand what Hitler was up against. He had practically the whole world against him. He was a Germanic Nationalist for sure, but he fought for the entire Aryan Race, I do think that the Germans made a big mistake in treating the Slavs the way they did, They lost a very important potential ally and this probably was the main reason why they lost the war.
You are absolutely correct that the Poles and other Eastern European Aryan Folk were badly mistreated, but that does not mean we should give up our Swastika. I think that the National Socialists made a mistake in using a BLACK Swastika. If they had used a RED Swastika in a WHITE Circle on a BLUE background, they might have won the War. These are WINNING Colors.
“Jim Hardpeka says: November 10, 2013 at 9:45 am You have to understand what Hitler was up against.” I do understand it; and part of its genesis was in the overly punitive Versailles Treaty; and part of it was a distorted perspective toward adjacent European countries that Hitler developed through the militarism and mass death of the first world war, which, with the bitterness of Versailles, had him over identifying with German imperialistic conquests such as Friedrich the Great and The Teutonic Knights. But these are not necessary models and certainly not models of European concordance. “He had practically the whole world against him.” Primarily for the militaristic means he used and the lines that he drew. “He was a Germanic Nationalist for sure” He… Read more »
People, like Jim but there’s many others, that make the white cause about history such as WW2/Holohoax are the reason why people who for the most part care about current events are turned away from this scene. TRY THESE OTHER TOPICS FOR A CHANGE: Which topic is best to discuss with new people as your personal focus? 1. Anti-White Crimes 2. Forced Integration 3. Non-White Invasion 4. Jews Media Control 5. Jewish Economics 6. Kosher Tax Scam 7. ChemTrail & GMO 8. Ruby Ridge & Waco 9. 9/11 & USS Liberty 10. Political Parties 11. Overseas Events 12. World War 1 & 2 13. Jewish Holohoax 14. Euro Holo Domor 15. America Civil War 16. Jew Black Slavery 17. All White Slavery 18. Christ-Insanity 19.… Read more »
Maybe you mean Jim?
I don’t have a problem thinking about other topics. I prefer not the topic of WW2 and am at no loss for other subject matter.
BTW “Jewish holohoax” is utterly tactless as an argumentative term (let alone a conversation opener). It is just a mirror image parody of the Jewish (big lie) way of argumentation. It is as if to say all images of Jewish deaths and documentation in regard as such were a complete lie; or that the name and full intent of the process is all important. It isn’t really. A lot of Jews died and explanations as to why are better addressed, than taking the route that it was all fake. To discuss exaggeration and its relative place, try “holocaustianity” as a term more worthy of an Aryan.
I’d be happy to do the “Mohel Minute” on future Roundtables if you give me the chance. A minute is more than enough. It got off to a rough first broadcast of the mohel minute because I had to deal with Frank’s banality, but the Mohel Minute will be more concise and focussed in future episodes , if you allow for it to be part of your Roundtables, Kyle. Hopefully the other hosts, like Dana, would be open to it. I only speak out against it because I sincerely believe that it (the legality of it) is one of the key issues for us to confront in order to win back the Spirt for more and more of our people. I am confronting it in… Read more »
That is in the realm of caring about black abortions, like the Trutha movement cares about there not being more niggers. I am for black abortion! I am for anything that is against our enimies: Jews, Muslims/Islam, Christians etc, blacks, mexicans … Your ideas prey on the weak “right” and “wrong” or “good” and “evil” opionions and that are somebody that would use the term human race instead of the correct term human species of different opposing races.
Daniel, it is a straw man claiming that the majority faction of modern national socialists (be they Russian, German, or White American) are devout Hitlerians. From my perspective, at least, the history has passed to such an extent that most of those who believe in the basic tenets of NS, or in its very appealing and particular form of imagery, do not go around disparaging Polish, Ukrainian, or Belorussian suffering during the war. Ideology is mutable, flexible, and with time can shed its earlier tenets and absorb aspects of other ideologies in seemingly anachronistic ways. Take, for instance, the race conscious and eugenic roots of early American progressivism. In the span of decades, the same ideology eventually fathered its monstrosity we know today: the pro-dsygenic… Read more »
Heathenhank: “It is a worldview for our age that simple cannot be buried alongside the German fuhrer, for it is simple too powerful in its fundamental form.” I believe that you are well intentioned, with good will toward all persons of native European extraction who are loyal to our native own. However.. Try to consider this one anecdote: DanielS wants to be friends and cooperate with the folks of Renegade. DanielS introduces his other friends to the folks of Renegade, who are wearing swastikas. It is going to take an encyclopedia of words and decades, at very least, to say that you don’t think that killing other Europeans is an unimportant detail. That is, the friends I introduce you to are not going to think… Read more »
That is, the only “straw man” is to say that I am saying that the symbol is tactless is because of a few photos of White victims.
Chris, your dedication to saving the Swaddling Seinfelds of the world from their own peoples’ initiation custom while our own folk are being defamed, raped and murdered is highly commendable. Btw, I’m being ironic in commending you, and I point this out because you clearly can’t discern when other people are just humoring you. Good luck with your counceling sessions with Dr. Seinfeld.
Frank, I know you’ll be listening to the Mohel Minute with disgust so just plug your ears for that minute and all will be right in Frank’s world. It’s cool. Frank is Frank. We all know it and love it … the Frank routine. We each got our own deal, but I must say that yours is very endearing because each and every time you open your mouth it is so fucking Frank. You should be honored that Sledge does his very good impersonation of you. It is an endearing impression and does not seem mean spirited. Good luck to you too and don’t forget to turn the volume down when I do the Mohel MInute during the Roundtables. I promise to only keep it… Read more »